Failed candidate for governor of Georgia, Stacey Abrams, has a new pro-abortion conspiracy theory: There's no such thing as a fetal heartbeat at 6 weeks! It's "manufactured" by men to control women's bodies. Glenn and Stu discuss just how ridiculous this "misinformation" is and the dangerous implications it could have if people are willing to believe it: "If they will buy that, you're at the Salem Witch Trials"
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GLENN: So Stacey Abrams says, there's no such thing as a fetal heartbeat at six weeks. That's weird. Because I know there's a fetal heartbeat on the -- on the sixth week. The seventh week. The eighth, ninth, 11th, 12th. All the way, still heartbeat.
Even now. I still have a heartbeat. It's weird. It's not fetal. But I still have a heartbeat. So no such thing as a fetal heartbeat in six weeks. Not true, says she.
Now, she says that this is a manufactured sound. If you haven't heard, a fetal heartbeat, here's a fetal heartbeat from...
Okay. What is that sound? What is that sound? Fetal heartbeat. No. No. That's the sound you hear at a cheap motel. Something is going on in the room up above. Listen to it again. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong.
That's what it is. That's what it is. And we put them into this magic box, okay? Just, we go and we tape from seedy motels. We tape the goings-on in other rooms. We put it in this magic box. And then just because we're trying to get rid of the hand sanitizer that New York had. It's all expired now, that they bought with taxpayer money. We take that hand sanitizer. That's what it is. They say it's a gel. But you just wipe it on a woman's belly. And you take that magic stick. On that magic stick. When you position it right, you hit a switch. And it makes the magic box, play what you recorded at the hotel.
STU: That's science for you. That's Stacey Abrams' branded science.
GLENN: I'm quoting. Do we have her actually saying this in audio? Here she is.
VOICE: There is no such thing as a heartbeat -- it is a manufactured sim designed to convince people, that men have a right to take control of a woman's body.
GLENN: Wow. Wow.
You know, I thought it was a big deal, that she thought she was the governor, you know. When she wasn't the governor.
And then she had this amazing turnaround, where she said she never said that. I thought that was kind of amazing -- this is -- for people who follow the science.
Now, I don't know if you follow the science. But for people who follow the science, I'm pretty sure that's not a manufactured sound. I'm pretty sure what that is, is a heartbeat.
Now, I'm only saying that because that's what science tells us.
GLENN: And the evil magic box. I don't know if I trust it anymore.
STU: Well, the evil magic box was designed by men. You know, men who wanted to take -- I mean, what was the quote?
That men have the -- it was a sound designed to convince people.
GLENN: That men have the right to take control of a woman's body. Amen.
STU: What a weird -- see, what a strange view of the world.
GLENN: Can I just tell you, as a man, as a man, and, you know, let's say a dirtbag man. The worst side of me, as a man. If I'm getting women and children pregnant, and I have no desire to settle down. Yeah, can I drive you there? How can I pay for that abortion? Okay?
Guys would be all in for that. That is much better than having a child, with a woman you were just sleeping with and you don't really want to have a relationship. And then that kid comes knocking at your door going, daddy. Men would rather you have an abortion.
That's what makes sense to me. Well, how -- I'm trying to understand. I'm trying to understand.
STU: You think men, if they designed the machine, would make it sound like nothing. Because they want to get out of whatever weird night they had last nature.
GLENN: I could be a cancerous growth. I could be a cancerous growth. I may be a tumor. I may be a tumor. That's what it would say.
STU: This is, of course, why so many on the left opposed the policy of having ultrasounds before abortion. Because they know they will hear the heartbeat. They will see if there's -- there's a scan to see. They can see the movement. They can see the baby formed.
When people are --
GLENN: Yeah. And it's 80 percent. The mother is 80 percent more likely to have the baby, than kill the baby. If she hears the heartbeat.
They know this. So that's why she's not discrediting men. She's not just saying -- I mean, she's absolutely wrong about men. We -- we did that, so you would have children?
I don't think so. So she's wrong about that. But what is she doing? She's discrediting the machine.
I mean, in such a --
GLENN: A neophyte way.
It's almost like, well, I was at this airport. And I just had to tell them, look at how heavy that thing is!
That's not going to be able to fly. They're putting you into a hypnosis trap. They're saying they're flying you someplace. You're not actually going anywhere. They're putting a mind trick in, so you think you went into your Cleveland office.
STU: This really is, we never went to the moon level conspiracy. You can see -- you can see it on the video. You can see the heartbeat.
You can hear it. This is what is going on. It is --
GLENN: It's a manufactured sound.
STU: If you want to defend abortion. Go ahead and defend it. Defend what you're actually doing. Stop denying what is reality. That's all you have to do. If this is such a great defensible policy, then just come out and defend it.
But they never can. You notice after the Dobbs thing, they're not talking about abortion. They're talking about, well, what if you have an ectopic pregnancy. Well, what if a woman has a miscarriage. You can't get it removed. First of all, none of this has anything to do with the laws that you pass on abortion. But secondarily, you notice how they can't go to the thing they say is important. They keep defending these other things that aren't true, and are much totally different process, as we've been talking about. But like, if they really believe, this was so defensible. They might occasionally defend it.
GLENN: That's why they were successful for a long time. Because they said, look, you don't want somebody else making decisions for the woman and for the people involved.
That's -- let the doctor and the woman figure this out. And we pray, or we hope, that it is rare. But it has to be safe and legal. That's how they talk you into the boat.
Because that's how most people feel. Most people are not for abortion, at the very end. They're not -- but if -- if -- most people feel, okay. I don't know exactly when life begins. I mean, I think I do, because the egg is alive and the sperm is alive. So it is life when they join. But you can do argue about this back and forth.
Most people feel like, hey. Once it's, you know, kind of identifiably as a baby, then we shouldn't kill it. And they would say, I -- I hope that it doesn't happen. But in cases of incest or rape, or something like that, then, you know, go ahead.
But it should be rare. But it should also be safe, and legal.
That was winning.
Celebrate your abortions. I've had 1800 abortions. And I loved every one. I think it was my -- well, it was my 300th. That's when I will always remember, that it was so great, that I celebrated at the time. I mean, that's where they lose everybody.
And because they've celebrated their abortion. And are losing regular people. You can't put that genie back in the bottle. What do they have to do?
They now have to take the insane step, of discrediting medical machines and technology.
STU: This is after two years, by the way, claiming that the biggest scandal in the world, were people saying the voting machines were hacked, after they had previously said that voting machines were hacked in previous elections they lost.
Do a search, real quick. On Twitter. Social media.
Is Stacey Abrams -- does she have a warning that this is mis or disinformation? Because this is important medical information. Right?
This is important medical information. She's saying that ultrasounds are not real. That the sound of the baby --
STU: That's true.
GLENN: Is not real.
STU: That's really what she's doing. And this is a relatively recent thing from the left. Where they started calling it a flicker instead of a heartbeat. Remember that whole thing? The New York Times called it a flicker instead of -- wait a minute. A flicker. It's been a heartbeat. We know it's a heartbeat. It's one of the most amazing moments of early pregnancy. You're there. Maybe your spouse is with you. You hear a heartbeat for the first time.
It's an overwhelming emotional experience. Or it's created by men to control women. Or it's just a mechanical sound of some sort.
GLENN: Now, honestly, gang, think this through. Because this is where life gets very scary. This is where you go to authoritarian rule. And you can kill millions of people. Because you're truly, now. Discrediting things that everyone knows is true. Okay?
So if you disagree with it. You can do say, that's an evil magic box, that has made-up sounds in it, to convince people.
If they will buy that, you're at the Salem witch trials. You're at the Salem witch trials.
Well, if she doesn't float, she wasn't a witch. That's what you're looking at, right now. And what's frightening is, she can say this with a straight face, and no one discredits her from her own side. No one is saying today, you know, I was for Stacey Abrams, and then I heard that. And that's just evil magic box stuff. That's witchcraft. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I can't support her.
This is -- this is a woman who is delusional, and has dangerous thinking. You know, we can't put her into a role of any kind of authority. If she thinks this. And she really believes this. And if not, she's just -- she doesn't care about lying. Nobody is saying this. Nobody is saying that on the left. Not a soul.
You don't think that they can convince those people, that you are a terrorist? Because of the way you vote?
Of course, they can. They're so emboldened right now, she thinks she can get away with saying this, and people in the audience don't laugh at her or stand up in that public setting and go, come on.
STU: Every one on the panel, nods in vigorous agreement.
GLENN: Nods their head. You don't think they can convince half the country, that you should be eliminated, liquidated. Put into a camp. Whatever authoritarians love to do.
I got news for you, I would be saying the same exact thing. If people on the right were doing this.
We are headed toward dangerous, dangerous times. We better wake up and stand together.
Because this is a frightening -- it's hilarious. But because people are taking it seriously. It is a terrifying statement.